无限与无极

ra说:造物中第一个已知事物是无限。无限即是造物。无限开始觉察。觉察引导到无限的焦点,转入无限能量。

这个“无限”会不会就是道家“无极生太极”中的“无极”

个人理解为“道生一,一生二,二生三,三生万物”的道。

这里的一,二,三,正好对应第一扭曲,第二扭曲,第三扭曲。

也就是自由意志,爱,光。

然后光经过组合,形成万物。

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如果要把一二三分别定义为三个变貌的话,那么“道”应该是智能无限而不是“无限”

“智能无限”应该和“太一无限造物主”讲的是一个东西吧

关于智能无限的定义

27.5 Q U E S T I O N E R It is not necessary to divide it. The definition of intelligent infinity as one part is sufficient. Could you please now define intelligent infinity?

R A I am Ra. This is exponentially simpler and less confusing. There is unity. This unity is all that there is. This unity has a potential and kinetic. The potential is intelligent infinity. Tapping this potential will yield work. This work has been called by us, intelligent energy.

The nature of this work is dependent upon the particular distortion of Free Will which, in turn, is the nature of a particular intelligent energy, or kinetic focus, of the potential of unity, or that which is all.

根据原文的解读,整体unity具有潜能potential和动能kinetic,潜能被定义为智能无限,动能被定义为智能能量。

智能无限和智能能量作为一组互相对称的存在。

就好比一个学生,现在是3年级,最终他将读完6年级。1-3年级是显化的智能能量,4-6年级是潜在的智能无限,1-6年级整合在一起是unity
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1 关于你这段话的原文内容:

13.5 Q U E S T I O N E R Thank you. Can you tell me of the earliest, first known thing in the creation?

R A I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.

13.6 Q U E S T I O N E R From this infinity then must have come what we experience as creation. What was the next step or the next evolvement?

R A I am Ra. Infinity became aware. This was the next step.

13.7 Q U E S T I O N E R After this, what happened?

R A Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us, as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.

无限和智能无限显然是两个定义:

“无限”的含义更接近“统一”(unity),而“智能无限”(intelligent infinity)则语义上应是“无限”的子集。
根据第27.5节的理解,智能无限对应的是unity的“潜能”(potential)。

2 无限的单独定义

27.4 Q U E S T I O N E R Would you define the word intelligent in the concept of intelligent infinity?

R A I am Ra. We shall address the entire spectrum of this question before defining as requested. Your language, using vibrational sound complexes, can be at best an approximation of that which is closer to an understanding, if you will, of the nature of conscious thought. Perceptions are not the same as sound vibration complexes, and the attempt to define will therefore be a frustrating one for you, although we are happy to aid you within the limits of your sound vibration complexes.

To define intelligent apart from infinity is difficult, for these two vibration complexes equal one concept. It is much like attempting to divide your sound vibration concept, faith, into two parts. We shall attempt to aid you, however.

Don曾经询问,智能无限的智能和无限,各自如何定义,Ra认为无法定义,最后在27.5给出了智能无限的整体定义。

从这个角度,我认为放弃对”无限“这个词的讨论比较合适。

实际上语言只是工具,其背后传达的概念才是核心。

下面的概念是比较一致且明确的:
1 整体unity具有潜能和动能两个部分,潜能对应智能无限,动能对应智能能量
2 通过自由意志寻找焦点,智能无限转换成智能能量
3 智能无限通过自由意志(第一扭曲),寻找焦点形成爱(第二扭曲),其表现为光(第三扭曲)

3 回到你的问题

1 你认为”道“应当对应智能无限,是合理的
2 ”智能无限“和"无限"存在区别,个人认为"智能无限"应当属于"无限"的定义上的子集。
3 Ra认为”无限“单独无法定义,所以我选择不再对”无限“进行后续讨论

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感谢详细的原文分享

这里补充一个原文
The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.

造物主是无限聚焦为一种有意识的原则,我们尽可能在你们的语言中创造理解/学习,称之为智慧无限。

由此可见One Infinite Creator(无限太一造物主)就是智能无限

非常认同你的看法

唉,其实我知道很多时候拿三维的视角讨论这种东西其实很多只是臆测,但就是控制不住这种好奇心,真烦恼。

这里需要注意的是,creation和creator的含义有些不同。

这句话本身有一个非常长的 被动式非限定性定语结构:”called by us, as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.“

所以其理解有两种,一种是你所理解的,creator是智能无限。另一种是,creator是这个对智能无限的focusing的过程

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唉,我还想询问最后一个关于这方面的问题,那就是,你觉得到道家的无极是什么?
佛经言“色不异空,空不异色”,我记得亚伦好像也强调过,道德经也说“有无相生”,所以我个人理解无极与太极都是智能无限

谢谢指正,由此也的确可看出一法用语的标准了

根据周敦颐的《太极图说》

”自無極而為太極。太極動而生陽,動極而靜,靜而生陰,靜極復動。一動一靜,互為其根;分陰分陽,兩儀立焉。“

太极动而生阳,动极而静,静而生阴。

这里的阴阳如果理解为智能无限和智能能量。

那么无极和太极应当被理解为造物主unity更合理。
无极应当被理解为unity未分化的那个状态,太极则理解为unity分化后的状态

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great​:heart::+1:

那么你觉得“无限”有无可能就是“合一”?

我觉得无极应该是“智能无限”(潜能),太极应该是“智能能量”(动能),而“道”就是合一,不过这根本不是一个体系,所以也许不能这样对应,道生一,一生二,二生三的123应该也不会就对应完全三个变貌。
老子写道德经的时候只是一个第三密度人类,虽然是一个大修行者,但也还是会带有所在层面的局限性。所以他写的东西,特别是关于道的,应该只是模糊的意象。论认知肯定是不如ra清楚的。

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原文1.7:

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

根据上述内容,个人认为“无限”被理解为“整体unity”是合理的。

如果你说的“合一”被定义为“整体unity”,那么将“无限”看作“合一”,个人认为也是合理的。

如果从“无极生太极”的关系来看,理解为“智能无限”和”智能能量“的潜能和动能关系,我认为是合理的。

这样的话,阴阳就可以被理解为宇宙中的男性原则和女性原则了。

认同。或许这就像塔罗牌一样,每个人都可以从不同的角度解读其中的含义。
也许老子当初并无特定本意,但后人以此为镜,展开思索与探寻,也未尝不是一种乐趣。

不过相比于Ra材料的严谨度和深度,老子的认知更具有地球的本土色彩,属于这个文明自身的产物。

你说的可真好呀。:heart:

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